And So It Begins: Pilots Call For CEO Outster

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  1. Captain Oveur
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    Full story here (actual story, not a blog post)
     
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    This part of the article didn't make sense to me. :confused:
     
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    They probably just needed a proofreader.
     
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    PRASM= passenger revenue per available seat mile
    Suits= business travelers
    Flip flops and backpacks=leisure travelers
     
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    He referring to something different....note the contradiction in the bold text from DIG/R_1K's quote.
     
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    I think he gets that part. He was referring to the fact that United is mentioned as having both decreasing PRASM and increasing PRASM in the same sentence. The second mention of United probably should instead read "American."

    Proofread, people, before you send stuff out. Proofread!
     
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    got it. :D
     
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    I thought as much... :rolleyes: :)

    Yep... :)
     
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    Some tough decisions to be made. But when some of the most valuable people (pilots) in the company have no confidence in the leader, it is very difficult to justify why a leader should continue to run the company.

    Either the CEO needs to make some drastic changes to improve the confidence of the pilots or he really does need to step down.

    Otherwise, dragging out the status quo will only deteriorate the situation further and it will not benefit anyone.
     
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    Given Jeff Smisek is CEO and Chairman of the Board, don't look for anything meaningful to change for awhile. At this point, the stock price would have to fall through the floor for anything to happen right now.
     
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    Or they can just get it right the first time.

    I never proofread.


    :pjk
     
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    Don't over-interpret the impact of a statement a local branch of a single union as indicative of anything. Remember the following:

    1. The pilots' union has a seat on the UAL Board of Directors, so the UAL ALPA leadership has a fuller picture of United's managerial goings-on and progress on behind-the-scenes activity than a local branch...and a more effective outlet to seek change.

    2. Jeff's record has obvious shortcomings, but he is also leading positive efforts to make United function as a healthy airline for the first time in decades on matters ranging from maintenance to hub facilities to strategic planning. ALPA MEC leadership knows just how lacking pre-merger United was in each of those areas, and how much things have and will continue to improve through their UAL BOD seat.
     
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    No over-interpretation, it's just a formal, tangible admission from someone in the boardroom that things aren't going so well. Does Smisek know? I'd hope so, but everything he has said what is on the record blames government, weather, airports and the L.A. Clippers. In other words, everybody but United.


    The sense I have gotten is that their maintenance situation has regressed, not gotten better.

    And if boosting the numbers of regionals on routes falls under "strategic planning," I wouldn't call that a positive step either. That might get yields artificially boosted, but when it comes to bad weather, those airplanes seem to be as reliable as a 99-cent umbrella.
     
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    Do shareholders and the board of directors have confidence in him? Their opinions are a hell of a lot more important than the pilots'. Or ours, for that matter.

    Not if he has the confidence of the board of directors and the shareholders.

    But, if they really want Smisek out, I hear Tom Horton will be available in a year or so. :D
     
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    Article has been updated to say:
     
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    Just to clarify that this isn't someone in the boardroom.

    This is someone in one crew base. Not an ALPA leadership statement.

    Sent from a place using a fruit thing.
     
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    Page me when the Jeff's got to go badges get released.
     
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    They should just bring back Bethune. He'll make it the best company again.
     
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    His second book will be called "From Jeff'ed to First".
     
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    He's 72, isn't he? Might be too old.
     
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    I think any former Airline CEO who would be willing to come back to this environment is nuts.

    And I'm speaking of the industry as a whole, not a specific airline.
     
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    Why listen to the pilot group? They brought to UAL: ESOP, The Summer from Hell, The Other Summer from Hell.
    I'm not sure any of them are qualified to make a good business judgement.
     
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    They're as qualified as anyone here on this board (including you and me), or even people who write up negative pieces on an airline. Doesn't mean they can't do it.

    Besides, these are mostly EWR-based pilots.....aren't those pmCO folks? As in, people who had nothing to do with The Summer from Hell?
     
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    I haven't a clue which side of the merger they are from. I don't care. I am tired of any of our work groups discussing how Jeff is doing. All any of us employees should be concerned with is doing the best job possible, own the problems that pop up, fix them as best we can (and yes we do have the tools to do it within reason), smile and make our customer happy. Other than our Elite flights, does anyone really care who the CEO is? Most of my customers want to sit together, have a clean plane, and depart on time. Once I pass the customers over to our FAs, their job is to make the customer safe, comfortable and happy while in the air.......and on it goes.
     
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    I agree with most of what you said.

    But a lot of the elites don't have the confidence in United to do one of those characteristics you mention -- departing on time. And you know the old 80/20 rule.

    Jeff Smisek is the one who likes to put himself on camera a lot, prior to the safety videos. He can do that, it's his choice. However, that also puts a bigger target on his back when things don't go so well.
     
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