Analysing fare rules

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  1. effseeoh

    effseeoh Gold Member

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    I'm looking at a fare C2-C1-C2 with a high YQ and what to see how I can combine it without going off on a wild goose chase. Can someone comment on my logic please?

    This isn't to do with combinability, but to increase earned mileage/segments:
    So this would allow C2a-C2b-C2c-C2d-C1a-C1b-C1c, correct? I've tried this with some fares but it's not always accepted. Is there some restriction that you must always be headed in the right direction too?

    Category 23 and Miscellaneous Provisions seem to mean the same thing, but it's not very clear to me whether it means that the text following are the Category 23 provisions, or I'm supposed to look elsewhere (not in the fare rules) for category 23 provisions?

    So if I look for a 1x or 3x it must be in C1 only? And if I know that the 1x or 3x is served only by none of xx/yy/zz then there's no point trying that either. Edit: since it seems only end-on-end are allowed in area 1, I can't do a 1x or a 3x at all it seems?

    Can someone explain what maximum of two international fare components actually means? Since I'm starting in C2 and flying to C1 have I already used up these two international fare components so I can't, for example transit through Canada on the way to the US?

    Thanks.
     
  2. konstantinos

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    The restriction just says that end-on-end must be in area 1.

    That is you can have AAA(Area2)-BBB(Area1)-CCC(Area1)-BBB(Area1)-AAA(Area2)

    Where you are combining two round trips: AAA-BBB with BBB-CCC in one.

    Whether you will add an extra leg at the start or end of your itinerary depends on other rules (add-ons).

    PS: That's my understanding, I'm not an expert, but it makes sense :)

     
  3. Lauwchen

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    I'm also trying to understand the fare rules. I'm looking at BRU-ORD (RT)
    The fare rules seems to make it impossible to FD, but maybe I'm looking at thing wrong.


    and so on, and so on..


    Because it says 'No stopover permitted', all the legs between departing and arriving has to connect, right?
    Only transfers are permitted within the rules (eg. 1 on AA in Europe only).


    the End-on-End would be the 'transfer', or am I seeing this completely wrong?



    So for example it can look like: C2-C1usaA-C1usaB-(C1usaA)-C2 with AA/BA/IB?


    So in a nutshell, this fare is impossible to FD?
    Hope I'm explaining it properly, English is not my native language..
     
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  4. desamo

    desamo Gold Member

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    Stopover is about time, not origin/destination. That just means that any connections need to be less than 24 hours (with the exception of any side trips).

    A side trip could be a place for an FD, so this isn't necessarily impossible.

    End-on-end means that you can book segments in US/CAnada to get to your gateway city, as in your example.
     
  5. Wandering Aramean
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    Wandering Aramean Gold Member

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    Fare component isn't the same as segment. The fare component is how the ticket is priced. If you book FRA-LHR-YYZ-MIA but it is priced as FRA-MIA then you have one fare component, two transfers (one in C2 and one in C1) and three segments.

    End-on-end doesn't count against transfers. End-on-end is how you are allowed to add more fare components into a single itinerary.
     
  6. Lauwchen

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    Could you give me an example of how 2 fare components would look like?
     
  7. Wandering Aramean
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    Go to ITA and search for a simple round trip. Ook at the fare details. You should see two fare components. Make it multi-city and you should see more.
     
  8. Lauwchen

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    Oh it's that simple :oops: having some problems with the terminology ..
     
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    If you need some help with ITA Matrix, here's some primers to help understand.
     
  10. Wandering Aramean
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    Sorry...was on my BB yesterday when posting that and couldn't share more details. I just did a search for LHR-MIA-LHR and it came back with this:
    Code:
    Fare 1: Carrier UA KLXNCZGB LON to MIA (rules)
    Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code K
    Covers LHR-FRA (Economy), FRA-IAH (Economy), IAH-MIA (Economy)
    £59.50
    Fare 2: Carrier AC KLXNCZGB MIA to LON (rules)
    Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code K
    Covers MIA-YUL (Economy), YUL-LHR (Economy)
    £59.50
    US September 11th Security Fee (AY)	£3.20
    UA YQ surcharge (YQ)	£104.50
    USDA APHIS Fee (XA)	£3.20
    US Immigration Fee (XY)	£4.40
    US Customs Fee (YC)	£3.50
    German Airport Security Tax (DE)	£5.00
    German Passenger Service Charge (RA)	£15.20
    US International Arrival Tax (US)	£10.60
    United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB)	£65.00
    United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB)	£24.55
    (YQ)	£106.50
    US International Departure Tax (US)	£10.60
    US Passenger Facility Charge (XF)	£2.80
     
    Subtotal per passenger	£478.05
    Number of passengers	x1
     
    TOTAL AIRFARE & TAXES	£478.05
    Those are the two fare components and then all the taxes.
     
  11. Wandering Aramean
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    Wandering Aramean Gold Member

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    Also, because the discussion here is at least indirectly focused on FDs, it is worth noting that ITA has become quite stingy at pricing them out. There are many FDs which can be ticketed which ITA won't show.
     
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  12. Lauwchen

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    So ITA doesn't show the FD.. ? this makes it difficult ..
    ITA has it all: presenting YQ/YR/BF and not every OTA acceps the FD if I'm correct
     
  13. Wandering Aramean
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    Correct, ITA is now showing FD'd fares much less often. And not every OTA prices them the same. It is a harder game to play but it is still very much alive.
     

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