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Discussion in 'General Discussion | Travel' started by uggboy, Feb 8, 2015.
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American sisters deported after taking nude photos at Cambodia's Angkor Wat temple
They couldn't help themselves. Sadly so.
Next stop: St. Peter's ...
Consequences could be a lot worse for them. They got off scott easy.
Not every society and/or country is as free as they think compared to America. You have to respect the local culture.
If this had happened in S. Arabia, the punishment could have been 100 lashes on bare butts every Friday for 50 weeks, followed by 10 years of incarceration. OR much worse!
If they had shown their naked rears in a public/revered place in the US, wouldn't they likely have been charged with indecent exposure? (and possibly worse if minors had been around).
"The Angkor Wat temple has become a symbol of Cambodia, appearing on its national flag, and it is the country's prime attraction for visitors", so such acts are seen, and rightly so, as a desecration. As free as America is, there is a limit even here to what stupid people can get away with:
18 U.S. Code § 700 - Desecration of the flag of the United States; penalties
(1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
(2) This subsection does not prohibit any conduct consisting of the disposal of a flag when it has become worn or soiled.
In this country we have no morals, and we accept any behavior,
Nothing wrong with a few lies, Anyone read the newspapers anymore..
Rather cheeky of them !!!
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Followed by the 9/11 memorial. It could be on their way home.
The conducted their idiocy in Preah Khan temple NOT Angkor Wat. And these are not active temples. Equalling their idiocy is the gov mouthpieces calling these recent acts pornography, including the Chinese woman who artfully posed as an apsara to kick off this whole gov charade.
This is the same gov that refuses to allow anyone to catch mosquitoes in the area because, well you don't wanna mess around with the cash cow.
Feigned indignation if you ask me.
Well, regardless, it remains that "When in Rome..."
Actually that doesn't fly in SE Asia. Here the locals can do things that foreigners would never be allowed to get away with.
I don't know about that, and I have spent a lot of time in N and SE Asia... (there may, in fact, be things that foreigners would get away with that locals wouldn't because they are simply explained away as cultural difference. "Desecration", perceived or real, on the other hand, would get foreigners in trouble everywhere).
"The Empire State Building management filed a $1.1 million lawsuit against a photographer who took a picture of a topless woman on the skyscraper's 86th floor observatory in August 2013."
From the ny daily news article about these stupid "ladies".
I agree there are things that foreigners get away with that locals couldn't do; it swings both ways. That plays to my comment that 'when in Rome' doesn't work well in SE Asia.
As to the perceived desecration: I can't believe that idiots have only begun taking pics of their butts in these temples and it's never been done before. The fact that the gov has been so vocal about it now (3 events this year already) says clearly that they're simply trying to (once again) rally behind a nationalistic/cultural banner. It's a false front show.
We cannot presume to have the high ground on every issue to lecture others about what is a real or false front. All we can do is to be aware of other nations' laws, cultures and mores and to try to respect them when traveling...
I thought it was the right to bare arms...
Some countries are quite fickle and you have no idea what is or isn't allowed on a day to day basis. And equally in some places culture is whatever the gov claims it is that day, or month, or year.
But more to the point, the over-the-top absurdist statement that these acts constitute "pornography" should tell you all you need to know. Especially when the first one that came to light was a topless woman dressed as an apsara... the same things that are carving thousands of time into the walls all over the region. This doesn't absolve idiots for doing stupid things, and I've seen tourists do a lot of stupid things, but statements by the gov shouldn't be taken at face value either. There's a growing use of xenophodia in local politics and since it worked well for the opposition 2 years ago I'm sure others are beginning to pick up that playbook.
@uggboy why don't I care
I was hoping uggboy had posted the incriminating photos here
I am sorry but I do not buy your thesis on this because it is frankly quite a bit "over-the-top" to see a manifestation of a growing xenophobia in this incident. I was at Angkor Wat and associated archeological sites last year and I returned to Siem Reap, the gateway to the sites, this year. I enjoyed the area so much that I am planning another excursion that would again include visiting the archeological sites. I can tell you that xenophobia is not what attracts me to this place. Quite the contrary, because I have not met friendlier people than those I met there. Literally millions of people from around the world, including thousands of Americans, visit the sites and the region every year, and they do not get in trouble with the law.
That the government would single out these two American kids, who they simply expelled out of the country relatively quietly, to make a political statement therefore strikes me as far-fetched. Also, considering how important this whole region is to Cambodia's economy, it would seem to me that the last thing the government would want to do is to telegraph to the whole world that that they hate foreigners. More to the point, however, is that whatever the reason for these kids to be expelled, it is totally irrelevant because it is not our place to tell other independent nations which laws to enact, which ones we like or which ones we hate. They simply won't care.
The last time I checked, we had our own huge immigration issues in this country, which many interpret as rooted in xenophobia. Would it be fair for observers to opine in the near future that "there is a growing use of xenophodia[sic] in [US] politics and since it worked well for the opposition [in the midterm elections] others are beginning to pick up that playbook"?
They did not let me decide if them butts deserved being deported, but I could not see the butts