Air India to join on 11 July 2014

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  1. Wandering Aramean
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    Thread title updated to reflect the official join date announced.

    Their logo is showing up on the StarAllianceEmployees.com site under the member airlines page:
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    And there was a meeting of the CEOs in London today where approving AI's joining was on the agenda. Rumored dates are as early as July 2014 so this one could happen quite quickly, except for the part where it was supposed to be completed 5-ish years ago.
     
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    The new Govt. that just got installed in New Delhi might build a fire under the AI execs. to stop diddling around and turn it into a profitable airline conforming to the international standards. In the past this govt. owned entity has been inefficient, irregular and downright customer un-friendly.
     
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    Excellent! :D
     
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    Now we'll see if Air India can establish operational quality to fit those shiny new airports.
     
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    I wonder how much United PQM's % they will have :)
     
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    I'd expect 100% for B fares and higher. And probably cut rate earning for cheaper economy fares, similar to other partners in Asia.

    But that's just a guess.
     
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    with FAA downgrade of Indian airport can we still book mileage based ticketsfor within india flights using UA?
     
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    Misery loves company. that is UA and AI

    From my understanding LH had objections to AI joining. LH also had objections to QR, look what happened.
     
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    LH is clearly uneasy about TK, far more so than AI, which it apparently sees as a partial counterweight to TK. Whether SQ or TG welcomes this is another issue. At it is Star is so internally competitive that tiers of cooperation between internal competitors sap much potential alliance benefit. AI entry only exacerbates that issue. Just look at the member list to see how internally competitive they are.
     
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    Any one travelled on air india after they joined star alliance?
     
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    There are a couple of links in Gary's blog from yesterday.
    It appears that as of now the only people traveling in F are the ones with award tix or the ones fortunate enough (with connections ?) to have been upgraded from Biz.
     
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    Thanks will check out. I am really intrested in how AI treats elites and if we can get lounge access
     
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    Air India has a pretty interesting all dreamliner product, on the Kangaroo route, via DEL. The only problem is 787's operational reliability.
     
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    Thanks. Btw I have flown ANA and UA 787 and it seems they never have issues as much as AI seems to be having
     
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    Based on reports in the aviation press, almost all airlines beginning use of the B787 have many problems until the aircrews and maintenance crews adapt to the "more-electric" features of the aircraft. Most of the problems today seem to stem from signalling errors and fault indicators that trigger falsely. Once they get over the initial learning curve the B787 is not quite a reliable as are more mature aircraft, but now at 99.0% dispatch reliability level, at or slightly better than other currently flown Boeing products. ANA, which had an early problem-filled introduction, was quoted on World Airline News with the following chart, leaving out the grounding, of course:
    http://worldairlinenews.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ana-787-on-time-reliability.jpg?w=620
    ana-787-on-time-reliability.jpg
     
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    Thanks for sharing this data its very helpful. I do agree with your assessment but it would also he nice to see comparison with airbus planes as well.
     
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    I would like that too. There are data publicised, but the major problem is keeping "apples to apples". On pure generic data anything at or above 99% is regarded as excellent. However, the variation airline to airline and new aircraft vs ageing ones is also important, but the individual airline operator seems always a more influential factor. The chart I posted has the advantage of showing all-Boeing for their three less-ancient wide bodies. Of course, the B747-400 has the lowest dispatch reliability and they do not choose to publicise that one. Based on LH anecdotes it seems the B748 is "doing well", whatever that means. In the posted chart the B767 data obviously reflect the ageing fleet composition, and more maintenance intensive character of the B767 vs the fly-by-wire ones. The B777 fleet seems surprisingly low, perhaps, but it now has a major impact from older aircraft also, mixed in with a growing concentration of ultra-long-haul -300's. Other things remaining equal ultra long haul aircraft have lower reported dispatch reliability because of the limited time for repairs between flights for those aircraft. Recent advances in onboard systems monitoring and communication are making that problem smaller because maintenance can often be ready with needed parts and mechanics as the aircraft arrived at the gate. That is partly responsible for the very high recent B787 reliability.

    That does not give you Airbus data in comparison. I shall look for single airline operating data for B787 vs A330, for example, but there are not many of those with enough of both to make such data meaningful.

    Factually, today all the major new aircraft from both Airbus and Boeing has excellent dispatch reliability once individual airlines get over the new type learning curve. Air India clearly has aircrew, ground crew and maintenance learning curves for the B787, just has Norwegian and others have had. Once those are ironed out, the B787 benefits enormously from all the fancy communications processes and systems monitoring.

    Sorry I cannot supply what we all really would like to see. The numbers are there; they just don't yet mean very much.
     
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  20. Looking to travel via Air India now.
     
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