Air Canada order test for Bombardier’s CSeries

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    http://business.financialpost.com/20...diers-cseries/

    An anticipated narrowbody order from Air Canada later this year should serve as a proxy for the market acceptance of Bombardier's new CSeries aircraft, said Kevin Chiang, CIBC World Markets analyst.

    The country’s largest carrier has said all four major aircraft manufacturers – Airbus, Boeing, Embraer, and Bombardier – remain in the running for the order.
     
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    Glad to see AC finally looking at the C-series.
     
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    Bombardier needs AC to buy this aircraft. Look to favorable discounts on purchase depending on size of order.
     
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    Mr Chiang may have missed Lufthansa/Swiss ordering 30+30 CSeries. Not a massive order, but it certainly adds credibility.
     
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    Heavy discounts are the order of the day at Airbus and Boeing for large orders. Bombardier has been trying to stay out of the discounting game.
     
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    When all your competitors are discounting, you won't win much business by holding prices firm (especially if competitor is offering their "upgraded" product (Neo/MAX) at a discount.
     
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    Offered at a discount from what -- the list price that no one pays? Seems to me the list price is then rather pointless ;)
     
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    It's a risk BBD has been willing to take, whether for better or for worse. Airbus and Boeing don't really have a directly competitive product, the A319 NEO and 737-MAX7 are considerably less efficient than their larger variants, and are attracting very little interest.
     
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    Public consultations are being held in Toronto next month to evaluate the feasibility of permitting pure jets to fly into YTZ. As part of these sessions, the city is releasing submissions from the various concerned parties and PD, AC and WS have all submitted interesting "studies". AC's submission is actually a comparison prepared by Embraer of its next generation 190 and Bombardier's C100. Click on the various reports listed for some interesting reading:

    http://www.toronto.ca/bbtca_review/#porter
     
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    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/10/10/bombardier-en-discussions-avec-air-canada
    BDR confirms that it is in talks with AC for purchase of some aircraft

    "Selon des sources, Air Canada pourrait tout aussi bien s’intéresser au plus petit de la famille, le CS100, qui accueillera 100 passagers, qu’au plus gros, le CS300, qui comptera 149 sièges.

    According to sources, AC could be interested in CS100 and the CS300.
     
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    I'd say that if they do allow jets into YTZ, AC would prefer that they have the choice of manufacturers ...
     
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    It's not up to AC. It's up to the specifications of specific aircraft and their sound patterns. First flight tests of the new CS100 certainly demonstrated its sound pattern is as good or better than promised. Ironically, it may be quieter than the Q400s. Which after spending a couple of afternoons sitting on the terrace at the new Amsterdam Brewpub overlooking YTZ, has shown itself to be a pretty noisy plane when revving up and reversing pitch upon landing!
     
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    The C series first take off was done at reduced thrust to make it quieter
     
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    The aircraft was not at MTOW which would have made a difference in noise level.
     
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    (emphasis added)
    Did I say they would decide? I said they would prefer to have a choice.
     
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    Considering the hospitality Bombardier showed us on SMD3, I'm rooting for them to succeed with the C-Series. It doesn't hurt that the plane seems to have passed some early tests that validate it's as good as advertised. :)
     
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    i agree...from what Bombardier showed us on SMD3 it looks like an exciting new aircraft and one that I look forward to flying on in the future.
     
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    They were amazing hosts! Fond memories of SMD3, not just the great people I was in the company with, but also the hospitality of our BBD hosts (still have my belt buckle) and also from AC (makes a canucklehead proud)!
     
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    True, but subsequent flights tests (the 2nd I believe) were performed specifically for sound measurements from different altitudes and thrust levels.
     
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    When there were no TV cameras around to record the sound.
     
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    I don't think TV cameras are necessary in order to measure sound levels.
     
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    Indeed - TV cameras are completely useless for that task - there are specific insturments for the task. the only thing the TV camera could do is record the numbers displayed by the instrument.
     
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    But on the first day the TV cameras were able to record what a quiet airplane it is.
     
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    Lol!!! I don't think TV camera microphones are nearly sensitive enough to gather proper EPNdB readings. Plus, the equipment would need to be placed at several points along the run way for accurate measurements.
     

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