AC loses out on additional slots at Toronto Island

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  1. milchap
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    Unfortunate. I hope AC continues to stick it to Porter. Run them into the ground!!! Mwahahahahahahahah :p

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    Porter will now fly to North Bay and Timmins bringing down prices on AC monopoly on this route.
    Now if only they can come to Winnipeg.
     
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    I still would not fly them. What do I need with pork rind points?

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    They go well with beer.....wait .....:Dthat was pork rinds....
     
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    :D

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    Are they serving pork rinds on AC Express flights from the island now? Great marketing to appeal to all those Bay Street types !:D
     
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    Hmm.. ACMM I usually agree with you however I really hope Porter does well. The problem in Canada is not enough competition in commercial aviation. Porter has done a great job and I hope they grow. We don't only need one airline in Canada- and if Porter can make a profit where AC cannot- fantastic let them do it!
     
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    Let the competition come and keep the fare prices down at market rates.
     
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    Also- there are certain markets that AC cannot serve as well as as competitor. Just as there are certain markets that AC serves far better than a competitor. I don't see Westjet launching flights to Narita, however presumably that is a very profitable market for AC. Let's not turn this into a Westjet debate- it was just a simple example....
     
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    Unfortunately what we are ending with here though is a situation where we have a an "AC airport" (YYZ) and a "Porter airport" (YTZ, controlled by Porter's owner). This kind of split may work out for some people (including Porter) but it does impact consumer choice, too.

    The rationale indicated by the port authority was that Porter's proposed routes were new ones, whereas they implied that AC would have added routes that Porter already flies from YTZ.
     
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    I agree. YYB is my hometown. It is presently only served by AC Regional. Porter to YYB would keep prices affordable.
     
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    The inconvenience to fly Porter from YYB is that connections to the world are problematic and entail a transfer to YYZ .
     
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    Unfortunately YYZ has kept out competitors through having the highest landing fees in the world and also through very restrictive permissions from Ottawa to fly to Canada (Emirates for example). Protectionism at its best at work- which impacts negatively the econmic development of Canada.
     
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    The high landing fees aren't good (though you can trace the reason for those back to the high rent) but they don't really inhibit competition: AC pays exactly the same landing fees as every airline.

    Landing rights for Emirates etc are a whole different issue, though, and this thread is no place for that.
     
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    Agree we leave the Emirates thing completely alone.

    Re: high landing fees inhibit competition- yes, they do inhibit competition as the fees are a deterrent to a carrier wanting to begin operations to YYZ.
     
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    I think the high landing fees should impact only an airline that wants to use YYZ as a connection point -- pax originating in YYZ have to pay the same fees to existing airlines, a new airline would not have any higher fees than the incumbents.

    Or am I misunderstanding your point?
     
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    Hi Tomh009, you are not misunderstanding. What occurs is that high landing fees act as a deterrent to carriers decding where to fly to next- they can choose a destination with lower fees as opposed to YYZ.
     

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