AA Will Launch Hourly Shuttle Service Between JFK-LAX in Early 2014

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  1. DestinationDavid
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    For those who were worried about the smaller Airbus planes that AA will be using on this route, it looks like frequency will indeed be increasing.

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    The high frequency is favored by business travelers who pay higher fares for last-minute tickets. The new planes have nearly a third of their seats in business or first class. Airlines are limited in the number of daily takeoffs and landings at JFK. In order to increase Los Angeles service, the airline will have to cut elsewhere. Vahidi would not say what routes would be eliminated.

    American will also allow boarding through the second door on these planes. That way coach passengers no longer walk through first class on their way back to their seats, giving first class passengers more privacy.

    The airline also unveiled a new VIP check-in area at JFK Wednesday to ease its top customers and first class transcontinental passengers through the airport. Similar "Flagship Check-In" areas already exist in Los Angeles and Miami, with another opening this summer in Chicago.
     
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    This is a slick idea. They need a name: how about the Bicoastal shuttle or NYLA Shuttle (or Express)?
     
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    They'll be second to the market with a transcon shuttle service; UA is doing the same to try to screw VX on the EWR routes. There is going to be an awful lot of capacity in the market. That's good for consumers looking for low fares but it is hard to believe that it is sustainable long-term for profitable operations.
     
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    Posted in the other thread
     
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    Huh? :confused: The article does specifically indicate this is on the JFK-LAX route and the route will still be operated on A321 aircraft. I'm a bit confused by your comment....;)
     
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    Must've read wrong. I thought the article said A320. Sorry!
     
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    Indeed good news.

    Let's see how often mid-cabin boarding ultimately occurs. On the 757s, its far from all the time (even at gates that have the extra nose room).
     
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    They were using it on the MIA-MCO route on both ends for my recent flights last week. Was surprised to see them hold back the Y cabin passengers until F were off.
     
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    The term "shuttle" seems cheap. Maybe call it the Baldwin/Words With Friends route. HA!

    I wonder if AA would do something like make one or two planes all-F and/or all-J on this route.
     
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    Why? THey've already got a disproportionally large number of seats in the premium cabins on those flights. It seems quirte unlikely that they need more F/C seats to sell.
     
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    Good point. Further the majority all premium flights are so partly because of load limitations (SQ SIN-EWR has been an example, they could not carry a full pax complement plus freight so axed the Y cabin entirely. A318's ex LCY are another). They do need healthy premium demand to support these routes and none seem to last very long.
     
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    I don't think the A321s would be capacity-restricted on the transcons even if they didn't have the high number of premium seats. The other two certainly have that as a limiting factor; others which have done similar (of them OpenSkies is probably the only still flying) the goal was customer service, not aircraft limitations.
     
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    LCY has runway length and approach limitations that forced lower weight limits for the aircraft.
    The SQ A340 was weight limited for the extreme range required thus causing them to eliminate the economy seats and their additional weight.
    Obviously the A321 would have no such limitation. The increased number of premium seats reduces rather than increases empty weight of the aircraft with the notable exception of the EK A380, which carries typically an extra ton of water for the showers.
    I suspect we probably agree on the issues. Everyone from AirOne to OpenSkies have had large problems trying to fill a totally premium cabin on a profitable basis. All the sustained exceptions of which I know were either depending on cargo (often with Combi's) or had some operating limitation.

    As we all know Premium yields are hard to come by these days for any carrier.
     
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    Had a DFW-based FA today who said she's starting training on the A321 next month so October/November looks good for seeing the first of them.
    Agree, and AA will have the only lay flat F transcon cabin now (except for the odd international wide body). UA's PS service no longer has F, just business. And isn't DL two-class as well?
     
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    JetBlue will have mini-suites eventually.
     
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    One question I have is, how much extra value does lay flat F have over lay flat J? No sarcasm, I know, I know, it's a rule of FT and MP that F >> J >>>>>>> Y. It seems like the main benefit is direct aisle access, with slightly better food and privacy?
     
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    That and connecting through to international F in either LAX or JFK vs "slumming" in J on that transcon, especially when it's two class. Makes the value prop for buying F or redeeming F that much higher.

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    But how much of that traffic is really connecting? For United there aren't all that many markets which can't be served as a one-stop without needing the p.s. service. AA would be a bit harder but there are BA flights which help.
     
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    You need to ask specifically how much of the F traffic isn't O/D. :)

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    My response exactly. Hard product may be similar but not identical (look at the new J seats on the 777W) but the soft product adds enhancement as well as just the fact that as good as J can be, F is more often than not better (on true premium services).
     
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    Now, if only they would upgrade ORD services a little! For example, there is exactly 1 ORD-JFK flight per day.
     
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    What do you need more than that for? There aren't all that many destinations served ex-JFK which you can't get either non-stop from ORD or via another connection. And if you want to get to NYC then going to LGA is likely a better place to go. The JFK slots are way more valuable on other routes than ORD connections.
     
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    Unfortunately, it looks like I called this one pretty accurately. :(
     
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    Not boarding through L2 with the 321T's?
     
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    Not especially surprising. Airbus apparently recommends against it in most scenarios.
     
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