A380 makes emergency landing in YOW

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  1. Rejuvenated
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    "Air Emirates"
    Seriously, they could go to Emirates website to find out it's simply "Emirates"
    Also I'm wondering how they can leave with a low fuel load. Seems like someone or something failed.
     
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    Low on fuel? At least nothing serious happened and they could fly on later safely.
     
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    From the newspaper article:
    Or perhaps it was deliberate on the part of the airline, to prove the versatility of the plane and break ground for regularly scheduled service to Ottawa, or just to let Toronto know that they could switch service to alternates if Toronto doesn't give them what they want?
    :p :p :p
     
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    Lessee. DXB-YOW= 6670 miles; DXB-YYZ=6880 miles
    6880-6670=210 miles
    210 miles more causes a diversion for low fuel, with an "emergency" declaration!:eek: That is a trifle implausible to me. First, nearly always a low fuel situation will produce a request for "priority handling" rather than an emergency. Second, it is fairly hard to imagine a situation in which 210 miles would be a deciding factor; it would be far more probably to land someplace much west of YOW were low fuel really such an issue, after all low fuel is never a surprise!

    I hope we find out the whole story. It must be quite interesting.
     
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    FlightAware data, funny graph
    http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE241/history/20120601/2215Z/CYOW/CYYZ

    I agree, 210 miles is so... short & close by to be low on fuel
    It has to circle a LOT around YYZ then
     
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    That Flight Aware is showing a takeoff from YOW, a single turn in a hold, and a normal VFR (ie visual, not instrument) approach to land at YYZ. Therefore it seems to show only the flight after diversion, consistent with the legs shown in the chart below the graph. I'd like to see the one prior to the landing at YOW.
     
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    Here's the real story. YYZ had bad weather and operations were in bad shape. High wind and heavy rain. After circling for some time over YYZ, the EK flight was at risk of running low on fuel. Rather than take a chance, the flight crew elected to divert to YOW.

    This feels largely like an overzealous reporter, not much in the way of news. This is not a unique, special, or particularly dangerous incident. The flight crew likely wasn't sure when they would land, and didn't want to run low on fuel, so they diverted to a nearby field until conditions improved at their destination.

    What is unique is apparently this was the A380's first time at YOW. Perhaps newsworthy to us flight junkies, but not much beyond that.

    This is the relevant information. Bad weather at YYZ. They went to a nearby field when fuel was at risk of running low. Pretty straightforward decision.
    EK241.JPG

    The author took a little dramatic license.

    First thing Canadians do in time of uncertainty...drive to Tim Hortons! ;)

    Considering Porter's fleet consists entirely of Q400s, this guy really is on his game...
     
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    A quick look at this chart does show multiple turns in YYZ holds at descending altitude, followed by a missed approach and departure. Thus, just as you imply, this absolutely was not an emergency and the pilots most certainly never called one. the ATC tapes will make that clear, if anybody cares to check them. It seems highly unlikely that they even called in a low fuel situation. In air carrier operations airliners do not just keep trying after a missed approach in adverse weather situations. Nearly always they'll divert long before a low fuel situation will happen.

    This track makes the events fairly obvious, does it not? People simply were excited to see a giant of an aircraft landing at little Ottawa!
     
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    Since this happened on June 1, I think there needs to be an investigation on why the pilot called Mayday- especially since Mayday is a leftist holiday. Time for Catsa to step in and impound the jet!

    They have their priorities straight.
     
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    How much does an airline owned by UAE actually have to pay for fuel? And how often do they actually see a thunderstorm in UAE? I can understand how the pilots would have perceived the situation as a dire emergency.

    ;)
     
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    The same as other airlines.
     
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    Quite ironic considering that these folks literally swim in petrol... It's like, world's best swimmer almost drowns in his bathtub.
     
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    The Senators aren't in the Stanley Cup finals, so they need to get excited about something! :D
     
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    Dubai (Emirates home base) has very little in the way of oil. Other Emirates (loosely translated: States) within the UAE do, but not Dubai.

    That said, they probably know the producer! ;)

    As to thunderstorms, half of all EK flights don't land in DXB. If we assumed DXB never, ever had storms (not the case), their flight crews would still see plenty of weather. Further, hot desert landings bring plenty of weather challenges of their own. To suggest that EK's pilots might be inexperienced in adverse weather conditions wouldn't be accurate.
     
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    Are there any weight issues with landing the A380 anywhere? Or are most runways typically designed for that and it isn't an issue? Having never gone through Ottawa I always assumed it was a much smaller airport.
     
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