A humble beginning to AC competition on TATL route

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  1. milchap
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    WS announces seasonal route from YYZ-YYT-DUB.
    YQ is very low.
    From DUB, pax can connect to LCCs
    Is there an alliance in the making with BA?
     
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    Very interesting, they already do codeshare with a bunch of OW airlines…..then again, they also codeshare with DL. Wouldn't it be nice if they did the same from other underserved locales (like YWG).
     
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    ...or YEG :p
     
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    Interesting dichotomy:
    AC puts an A319 on YYT-LHR and it is panned as not worthy.
    WS puts a B737 on YYT-DUB and it is innovative and daring.
    The two airplanes are pretty much the same.
     
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    The 737-700 has the best range in the WestJet fleet, at about 3400nm (the 737-600 and 737-800 are about 3000nm). The A319 can do 3600 nm. YYT-DUB is less than 1800nm, so they really have the range to do LHR or LGW, but my guess was that DUB was the easier negotiation -- and there are no slots at LHR to be had anyway.
     
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    Enough money will find anyone slots at LHR.
    Range in nautical miles, or kilometres, or statute miles means nothing. When the wind is blowing at 150 knots on the nose you cannot make it as far as if it is on your tail.
     
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    I suspect the ranges you are quoting are for an empty aircraft (and certainly no headwind).

    Elsewhere it has been posted that these are basically repositioning flights for WS since their fleet is undergoing maintenance in Ireland (probably also a trial balloon for them).
     
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    C and D checks take an aircraft out of service for a while.

    Trial balloon ....maybe

    Repositioning flights......not certain about that.
     
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    Does the B737-700 have the legs to do the eastbound YYZ-DUB with a fuel reserve and full load as a nonstop and the westbound return as the one-stopper in YYT?
     
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    737-700 does not have the endurance to fly YYZ-DUB with pax and load.

    And welcome to MP. :)
     
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    :D Thanks for the welcome.

    Boeing website gives the 737-700 a range of 3440 NM which works out to about 3958 miles. Distance for YYZ-DUB is about 3250 miles, so is the Boeing information only calculated on an empty aircraft (no pax or cargo) making that distance?
     
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    Additional competition on the YYZ-DUB route in June, 2014, with EI wetleasing a B757 for a three times weekly nonstop.
     
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    That is really pushing the envelope. I guess KEF is the alternate.
     
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    Those are the published ranges, they should be with normal loads. No headwinds included, though, that gets to be a much more complex calculation.
     
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    You need to fly against the jetstream in one direction, which would take you too close to the max range. (The range does assume pax, cargo and fuel.)

    Once you start hitting the limits you either need to take off with less fuel or leave some seats empty. Neither one would be a good option for a TATL flight.
     
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    Unless they're planning on landing in Gimli :D
     
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    Understood on the westbound flights, but assuming the eastbound would catch the jetstream at least part way, or even without the jetstream, I'm guessing that the mileage is possible for an ETOP's certified B737 according to Boeing's figures. Hence the nonstop possible eastbound.

    And if both the YYZ-DUB-YYZ TATL flights are booked full, meaning that there was no room for additional pax on the domestic segments in both directions, saving some time on the fuel stop at YYT westbound by just refueling and taking off without having pax deplane would be a plus timewise for the airline, rather then unloading pax and their luggage for the C&I at YYT. With the initial fares being low at first after the news gets around, the possibility of full aircraft is real.

    Possibly oversimplifying by me, and obviously Westjet doesn't agree.
     

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