4000 + $60 for a night using SPG points, can it be modified to 10000 points ?

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  1. kayjay
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    I already booked a SPG resort using 4000 points + $60 to have a guarteed reservation when I am going on a vacation in November.
    When I will have more points, can I convert/modify my current reservation (4000 points + $60) to use full 10000 points later for redeeming a free night?

    For example, I have booked Sheraton HNL using 4000 spg points + $60 for November. Later, when I will be having more points, will I be able to convert the 4000 points + $60 to 10000 points at the same property and redeem a free night?
     
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    Only if there is award availability when you get ready to book. An award reservation (and C&P is an award reservation) cannot be modified in the way you are suggesting. A new reservation needs to be booked and the old one cancelled.

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    William R. Sanders
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  3. SC Flier
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    Oh, no! My brain hurts just thinking about the idea!!! :eek:

    SPG Champion is right, of course. And if award availability is not available, you could contact the hotel to ask if they'd make it available for you. They might be (very) happy to do so.

    But C&P is widely considered to be a discount award option. To switch it to a standard award, you are essentially asking if you could pay an additional 6K Starpoints in order to save $60 (+ tax) cash, and that's putting a value of just 1 cent per point on those additional Starpoints!

    Unless you truly cannot afford that extra $60/nt, save those points for another vacation!
     
  4. lotso-bear
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    Yes, it may be best to use the 6K points to upgrade your room than to pay for the $60 cash portion, if this option is available.
     
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    Unfortunately, that might not be an option when on a C&P award unless it's done directly with the hotel as an Instant Reward. So there are some reasons to want a specialty award instead of a C&P award. (For a hypothetical example, spending 11,500 points might provide an award that is upgraded to partial ocean view -- confirmed in advance.)
     
  6. kayjay
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    Alright I will pay $60 and save the 6000 points for my next vacation.
    My hope is to earn free nights from the upcoming promo.
     
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    Does Points-only awards count as a real stays but not cash+points?

    (I am asking because I don't know)
     
  8. SC Flier
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    No, the only award type that earns stay credit is the SPG50 award.
     
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  9. thats the right move
     
  10. No. only points on spend not stay credit
     
  11. SC Flier
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    And then only on "eligible" spending. Not everything that shows up on a hotel bill is eligible for points.

    5.3. “Eligible Charges” are charges incurred by you on your room account for Eligible Rates, food and beverage (excluding alcoholic beverage purchases where prohibited by law), direct dialed telephone and direct-dialed in-room fax, laundry/valet, and in-room movies and video games only. Eligible Charges do not include:
    (a) room charges that are not included in the definition of Eligible Rates (NOTE: certain pre-paid rooms where the booking is made through a third party are not Eligible Rates);​
    (b) charges for banquets, meetings or other functions, with the exception of points earned from qualifying meetings or events through the Preferred Planner Program;​
    (c) complimentary services (including, but not limited to, any Awards earned through the Program);​
    (d) other fees paid such as parking, business center, high-speed internet access, retail stores, spa products and services and greens fees;​
    (e) taxes, gratuities, service charges and other applicable charges, such as energy charges, and resort fees.​
    (f) any charges not specifically listed as an Eligible Charge.​
     
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    When you "pay" with either points or cash and points, you do not get night or stay credits.

    However, as pointed out above, certain additional expenditures which are charged to your room should earn points.

    Note that C & P is usually has less availability than all points reservations, so the odds are excellent that if you can book C & P you can also book a room for points. If you don't need the night or stay credits for the year, C & P is considered to usually be a very good value, although there are disadvantages if you want a special room type, just as you can't reserve a special room type on FWN, etc.
     
  13. SC Flier
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    An interesting thing about C&P rates is that they can (and sometimes do) include non-standard room types. Moments ago, I discovered that the Phoenician Canyon Suites has C&P rates for their rooms (not suites) showing for nearly every date through Oct 2012, and those rooms are considered Specialty Select rooms. (I never realized until today that Canyon Suites had non-suite rooms.) And a couple years ago, I booked a specialty room on C&P at Arion.

    I suspect that the Phoenician Canyon Suites C&P rate availability is probably a mistake. While I expect that any reservations on this rate would be honored, I doubt that the wide availability will remain online for long. If anyone wants it, book it now.
     
  14. sdcarver
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    I have done this numerous times in the opposite direction--converting full points to Cash and Points depending on availability of C+P awards of course--I imagine it wouldbe even easier the way you are doing it due to less restrictove awards.

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