2011 Marriott Hotel Category Changes

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  1. swag
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    MR has released a partial list of hotel category changes, to be effective Mar 8, 2011.

    It's on Marriott Insiders at http://www.marriottrewardsinsiders.marriott.com/thread.jspa?threadID=14000006157
    ... and also on FT at http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marriott-rewards/1187651-2011-annual-hotel-category-changes.html

    Approximately 100 hotels will decrease by one category and approximately 350 hotels will increase by one category.

    Unfortunately, at least for now, only the changes in current category 5 and up are listed.
     
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    Here is the list of current Cat 5 and up changes:

    Below is a list of the changes in categories 5-8:

    Current Cat 5 + Hotels Moving Down a Category Level

    Current Cat 6 moving to Cat 5
    CasaMagna Marriott Puerto Vallarta Resort & Spa
    Athens Ledra Marriott Hotel
    Renaissance Vinoy Resort & Golf Club

    Current Cat 5 moving to Cat 4

    Fairfield Inn Orlando at SeaWorld(R)
    Courtyard Orlando Lake Buena Vista in the Marriott Village
    West Palm Beach Marriott
    Doral Golf Resort & Spa, A Marriott Resort
    Marriott’s Villas at Doral
    Renaissance Cleveland Hotel
    Courtyard Page at Lake Powell
    Renaissance Tampa Hotel International Plaza
    Franklin Marriott Cool Springs
    BWI Airport Marriott
    Renaissance Boca Raton Hotel
    Courtyard San Juan Miramar
    Boca Raton Marriott at Boca Center
    JW Marriott Hotel Beijing
    Residence Inn San Antonio Downtown/Alamo Plaza
    JW Marriott Hotel Caracas

    Current Cat 5-8 Hotels Moving Up a Category Level

    Current Cat 7 moving to Cat 8
    Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino
    Marriott’s Aruba Surf Club
    Marriott’s Aruba Ocean Club

    Current Cat 6 moving to Cat 7
    Courtyard Ocean City
    Vail Marriott Mountain Resort & Spa
    Grand Cayman Marriott Resort
    Residence Inn Virginia Beach Oceanfront
    SpringHill Suites Virginia Beach Oceanfront
    JW Marriott Hotel Washington, DC
    Zurich Marriott Hotel
    Key West Marriott Beachside Hotel

    Current Cat 5 moving to Cat 6
    Courtyard Boston Copley Square
    Residence Inn St. Petersburg Treasure Island
    Fairfield Inn Virginia Beach Oceanfront
    Courtyard Cape Cod Hyannis
    Waikiki Beach Marriott Resort & Spa
    Courtyard Paris Neuilly
    Residence Inn Washington, DC/Capitol
    Renaissance Aruba Beach Resort & Casino
    JW Marriott Phuket Resort & Spa
    Residence Inn Newport Middletown
    Vancouver Marriott Pinnacle Downtown Hotel
    Melbourne Marriott Hotel
    Courtyard New York JFK Airport
    Renaissance Okinawa Resort
    Renaissance Washington, DC Hotel
    JW Marriott Hotel Lima
    JW Marriott Hotel Shanghai at Tomorrow Square
    Courtyard San Francisco Fisherman’s Wharf
    Courtyard Quebec City
    Brisbane Marriott Hotel

    Please note these changes will go in to effect starting Tuesday, March 8, 2011. Any reservations made prior to March 8 will be honored at the current category level as long as the certificate is ordered prior to March 8. If you have an existing redemption reservation at a hotel that is decreasing in category, you may call Marriott Rewards® Customer Support to adjust the reservation after March 8. We thank you in advance for your patience.
     
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  3. 350:100. In this economy. Brilliant work by the chowderheads at Marriott.
     
  4. RicGarrido
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    Marriott Concierge post on FlyerTalk today indicates the entire list of hotels changing category is not likely to be released before the changes go into effect March 8. Only 31 hotels going up in category have been released. The other 319 hotels that will cost more points on March 8 are a mystery.

    Marriott Concierge states: "The entire list is considered proprietary."
     
  5. sophiegirl
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    this is why point hoarding makes no sense. Use 'em or lose 'em.

    If one has Cat 4 certs to use, may want to make ressies now...just in case the property changes catgory.

    So far it isn't too bad for me...properties I have/ will use this year have come down....
     
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    The fact that Marriott refuses to publish the full list is ridiculous. The fact that they claim it's "proprietary information" is even worse. If that's the case, then why publish even a partial list? If this information is so darn important that nobody can see it, then none of it should be posted. Instead, they publish a few dozen out of several hundred hotels that are changing, and tell people "If you're concerned about a property you want to stay at changing, book it now." That's no way to be customer friendly. Other hotel companies publish the full list of category changes every year. What's Marriott's problem?

    Either publish the list or don't. But don't say "We're increasing the redemption rates for 350 hotels and we're only going to tell you about 30 of them, and the other 320 or so you'll have to figure out on your own."
     
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    UGH.
     
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    I agree. The fact that they haven't announced the upcoming increase on marriott.com, they decided to release what they did on FT and on the Insider pages must be an attempt to placate the most engaged of their customers. And yet releasing a partial list seems almost guaranteed to madden everyone who sees it.
     
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    Yep. It's like they don't even care about the vast majority of Marriott Rewards members who aren't participants on FT. That's fine, and I imagine that the majority of their membership won't even notice the change. However, this is a very well-informed, overly-engaged group of some of their most loyal customers. I realize it's probably a no-win situation. If they say nothing to us, then we'll get mad that they were silent once we start figuring out that redemption rates are going up. If they tell us everything, then people will still be upset over the change. However, this is the worst of both; people know it's coming, but don't know enough to make any decisions… and the company is hiding behind a false veil of the information somehow being proprietary. I'm sorry, but prices aren't proprietary information. The reasoning behind a pricing strategy is certainly proprietary, and something you often don't want to leak to the competition, but when we're talking about hotel rooms, it's not difficult for their competitors to figure out what Marriott is charging, so why not just be up front about it?
     
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    Oof. I've been to any number of the Marriott properties on the published list and I certainly don't think they're worth the points. And a couple on there (The CY Ocean City) are notoriously hard to get ANY award reservation.

    Almost seems like a page from Delta's playbook.
     
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    My feelings exactly! I'm fairly new to Marriott elite status, but the swiftness of this change leaves me reeling. I haven't had time to think about how best to use the points I've earned. I guess I should be happy that I found out about it even a little in advance. I just wish I knew which hotels won't be usable with the category 1-4 MegaBonus certs come next Tuesday...
     
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    Ouch!! JW Marriott - Phuket going from CAT 5 to 6 is a real downer... [​IMG]
     
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    Changes in any FT program happen quickly...and I know a lot of people are focusing on the cat 1-4 changes. But the reality is that if ALL of the remaining changes were in this category, there would still be plenty to pick from. So make your best guess...and if they go up- you're covered. If not, great, you can change your mind!
     
  14. RicGarrido
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    You seem to be cheerleading for Marriott's right to keep members uninformed. Marriott has more than 3,000 hotels, but members need to know about the hotels in the places they are going. Most members only have sufficient points to book one or two hotel nights so it makes a difference in how they use their 20,000 or 30,000 points. Why should the member need to randomly guess which hotel is going up in cost and hope for the best?

    Is Marriott's corporate bottom line really going to take a hit from letting some members save 5,000 points on a reward night by booking this week before the changes increase the cost of hotels at over 300 hotels?

    Here is what I posted on FlyerTalk today:
     
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    And they provided it. a full list was posted at 1:11pm

    And the grand total of Cat 4's to 5?

    but the total of 5 to a 4?

    yep, I am sure concern for their bottom line is what caused the hold up.......
     
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    Thanks to Marriott for posting the entire list.

    I'm frankly surprised that more of the non-US properties were not raised given the drubbing the Dollar is taking. The dollar is the worst I've ever seen compared to the SFR.
     
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    I saw what appears to be a pretty complete list over on thepointsguy.com (http://thepointsguy.com/2011/03/2011-marriott-award-category-changes/), though I didn't see a link to source material. It does cover all (1-8) categories.

    I only saw one property that I frequent on business travel, and it's down-grading in categories - from 5 to 4. I may have to try renegotiating our corporate rate as a result ;-)

    So, I'm feeling fortunate so far.
     
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    When available (during the summer) weekend nights are blocked out Ditto with Virginia Beach properties. :(
    P.S. It has been the MR's biggest sore point me.
     
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    The source for The Points Guy is the FlyerTalk link I placed in post #16. Same place where I copied the list posted on my blog. FlyerTalk is the only place Marriott posted the list that I have seen. They did not even post the list on their own Marriott Rewards Insiders forum.
     
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    Ack - I missed that! Thanks.
     
  23. RicGarrido
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    Marriott Rewards Insiders now has the full list posted. I guess they thought giving Insiders a heads up was the right thing to do too since I had already posted the FlyerTalk link on the Insiders page for their readers.

    You must be logged into Marriott Rewards account to open links on Marriott Rewards Insiders.
     

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