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jbcarioca
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As for motivation to continue, I can only speak for myself. Today is the first time I have been here in months. The odd time I look I see nothing interesting or informative in comparison to that I find in other sources. Most of the current developments I find in other social media, and I'm not too interested in blogs that add nothing to my understanding. The people who added most to my understanding are gone. I will not speak of the mobile app; I downloaded, found it useless and deleted it.

I suppose I am responding to this thread because FT and then MP were important to me. Frankly the premium memberships finally destroyed my faith for good. I paid a small fortune for precisely zero benefit. That was when I realized that MP now IF was irrelevant to me.

FWIW, I am still quite active on two internet BB's. One represents my car (Tesla Motors Club) although Twitter and Facebook are major sources for that one too. The other is a specialized site that has highly specific technical content.

I still travel much the same and continue to participate in program-specifc information sources. I suspect that IF suffers most because other sources are more informative, crisper and better focussed. Most of those sources are less crassly commercial promoting gimmicks that really have nothing much to do with frequent flyer issues.

This is not meant to be accurate generally, but it does represent my views.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 12:59 pm
Denny
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jbcarioca, post: 2757686, member: 4208 wrote: I paid a small fortune for precisely zero benefit. That was when I realized that MP now IF was irrelevant to me.

Curious to what you paid for on IF / MP that was a small fortune?

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Posted : September 13, 2016 7:03 pm
William JLP
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Denny, post: 2757742, member: 36081 wrote: Curious to what you paid for on IF / MP that was a small fortune?

There were a couple of different Megado VIP memberships from a while back. I won't presume to speak for jbc on this, but they cost substantially more than the much-anticipated MP/IF Premium Memberships, and, overall, the satisfaction with the value seems to be, at best, mixed.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 8:00 pm
Pizzaman
(@pizzaman)
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About Again, post: 2757385, member: 146908 wrote: well there was Guiness who told other poster that he had a small penis, and made many other derogatory remarks, that wld not have been acceptable in any community with basic laws, and morals, and when it was sent to management, "Nothing was done," it wasn't addressed, then you saw the recipient party Good Boy who had the second or third number of total posts, and second most number of likes, sent off into a frenzy when there was no management response, and he out of frustration posted the other poster's disgraceful posts across the board.

If managagement was aware they wld have banned Guiness immediatley based on his posts, easy to see the sequence, but management cldn't be bothered looking at it.

Unfortunatley management response was "can't be bothered" just throw both of them out, wasn't the right call.

not enough management attention.

It's possible we made the wrong call there. We're human. Overall, though, I haven't seen a ton of problem members.

I don't have much to say, but you can usually find me saying it here.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 8:57 pm
Pizzaman
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William JLP, post: 2757754, member: 42050 wrote: There were a couple of different Megado VIP memberships from a while back. I won't presume to speak for jbc on this, but they cost substantially more than the much-anticipated MP/IF Premium Memberships, and, overall, the satisfaction with the value seems to be, at best, mixed.

You guys know I'm well aware of the MegaDO memberships. I wasn't involved in the planning, implementation or delivery of benefits for these. What makes me disappointed is that anyone would harbor ill will towards IF because of that.

To be clear, I absolutely understand why someone would. It's just disappointing to me that I had nothing to do with that and it still reflects badly on our community. If I could refund your money and make it better, I would. But, I didn't profit a penny from that experience.

I don't have much to say, but you can usually find me saying it here.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 9:05 pm
Pizzaman
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Just as a general comment, watching this thread grow in size is encouraging to me. We still have people who care, we just haven't provided you the forum/product to keep you engaged.

That's no more or less than what we earned.

Lot more work to be done.

I don't have much to say, but you can usually find me saying it here.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 9:07 pm
ACMM
 ACMM
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Pizzaman, post: 2757763, member: 24 wrote: It's possible we made the wrong call there. We're human. Overall, though, I haven't seen a ton of problem members.

... And now you see barely any members.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 9:37 pm
Pizzaman
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Pizzaman, post: 2757766, member: 24 wrote: You guys know I'm well aware of the MegaDO memberships. I wasn't involved in the planning, implementation or delivery of benefits for these. What makes me disappointed is that anyone would harbor ill will towards IF because of that.

To be clear, I absolutely understand why someone would. It's just disappointing to me that I had nothing to do with that and it still reflects badly on our community. If I could refund your money and make it better, I would. But, I didn't profit a penny from that experience.

Put another way. I understand that there was a partner of IF involved in organizing the MegaDO memberships. I further understand people's displeasure with those memberships.

IF wasn't connected to those memberships in any official way. 100% understand that the eye test is the only one that matters. Just clarifying the point and hoping that if IF continues to work on improving we'll be judged on the merits of what we do here.

I don't have much to say, but you can usually find me saying it here.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 9:39 pm
Pizzaman
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ACMM, post: 2757768, member: 520 wrote: ... And now you see barely any members.

Sent from my iPhone

Yup. And, I hate that. Those that know me understand full well that I didn't get involved with MP/IF to make money. I'm not one to turn down a paycheck, but the goal was to create a sustainable community. We created a community, but haven't yet made it sustainable.

I don't have much to say, but you can usually find me saying it here.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 9:40 pm
ACMM
 ACMM
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Pizzaman, post: 2757770, member: 24 wrote: Yup. And, I hate that. Those that know me understand full well that I didn't get involved with MP/IF to make money. I'm not one to turn down a paycheck, but the goal was to create a sustainable community. We created a community, but haven't yet made it sustainable.

I think I have said and contributed pretty much all I am going to. I am sure you are sincere in your words. I have never met you but have no reason to think otherwise. However saying 'we have not yet made it sustainable' is just not tracking for me. This is not a six month old venture. How many years since MP was launched? How long since it was reinvented as IF? I wish this still had sustainability in it but I am not sure it has. The core are gone. I was one the of most active on the AC forum. I helped create the AC wiki. Now I honesty no longer care. So I think I really should leave this discussion to others. Good luck to you.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 10:20 pm
Pizzaman
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ACMM, post: 2757774, member: 520 wrote: I think I have said and contributed pretty much all I am going to. I am sure you are sincere in your words. I have never met you but have no reason to think otherwise. However saying 'we have not yet made it sustainable' is just not tracking for me. This is not a six month old venture. How many years since MP was launched? How long since it was reinvented as IF? I wish this still had sustainability in it but I am not sure it has. The core are gone. I was one the of most active on the AC forum. I helped create the AC wiki. Now I honesty no longer care. So I think I really should leave this discussion to others. Good luck to you.

Sent from my iPhone

And to you as well.

I don't have much to say, but you can usually find me saying it here.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 10:21 pm
Pizzaman
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ACMM, post: 2757774, member: 520 wrote: I think I have said and contributed pretty much all I am going to. I am sure you are sincere in your words. I have never met you but have no reason to think otherwise. However saying 'we have not yet made it sustainable' is just not tracking for me. This is not a six month old venture. How many years since MP was launched? How long since it was reinvented as IF? I wish this still had sustainability in it but I am not sure it has. The core are gone. I was one the of most active on the AC forum. I helped create the AC wiki. Now I honesty no longer care. So I think I really should leave this discussion to others. Good luck to you.

Sent from my iPhone

And, FWIW, I'm very appreciative for your contributions.

I don't have much to say, but you can usually find me saying it here.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 10:39 pm
HaveMilesWillTravel
(@havemileswilltravel)

Yup, first post in three months. I think once a quarter may be a good rhythm.

Kiwii_Xan, post: 2757124, member: 172090 wrote: As someone in the business of digital media, it isn't just Inside Flyer that is slowing down, but most forums in general are. It has to do with generational interest. Younger audiences don't appear on online forums as much as older generations, and other types of social technological advancements are gaining traction instead.

InsideFlyer isn't just slowing down. It's dying. No, wait, it's effectively dead by internet standards. Strip out some of the off-topic/generic threads and what are you left with? Sure, FT may be slowing down, but just compare the CSR thread on FT to the one here. Oh... wait.

colpuck, post: 2757127, member: 3248 wrote: I'm here only for the box really.

Unfortunately tehbox.com is already taken, but perhaps someone could come up with a clever alternative name.

Pizzaman, post: 2757132, member: 24 wrote: Weighing in here as one of the co-founders (and not speaking for any other co-founder).

I notice one of the other co-founders hasn't even shown up here since Friday. Busy thought-leadering elsewhere? How many bloggers does Boarding Area have? How many are active here? I can really think of only one. Have you ever asked them why they consider it not worth their time being part of this community? (funny thing is, I see some of them active on FT)

We haven't been able to get the sort of participation yet that we need to make all the forums viable. We've discussed some strategies to trim the forum tree and encourage more activity.

I'm definitely open to suggestions, we don't have all the answers. But, I'm not going anywhere. I'm not even sure where the light switch is. 🙂

This isn't the first thread of this nature, Ed. Suggestions have been made (some by me). I looked around. Nothing has changed. My prediction: this thread won't changed anything either.

One common complaint from frequent travelers is that loyalty programs don't care. When members dis-engage, they never seem to do the logical thing and ask them why.

The same seems true here. Have you ever reached out to original/gold members of IF that have disengaged from this site? Asked why? You have our contact information. I just checked the email account I created in 2011 for this site; other than some spam (how'd that happen) and some old newsletters from MP/IF there was nothing there.

Wandering Aramean, post: 2757149, member: 23 wrote: And IF chose to further fragment that community via language walls and disparate operations that compete with each other for resources and eyeballs. Combine that with technical failures, the over-promise/under-deliver problem and, generally, insufficient unique or compelling content and there's minimal value to the shell here.

Yup. I looked at the .de and co.uk sites and they seem to be dead like the parrot.

Randy Petersen, post: 2757174, member: 7 wrote: And you know well Pizza that neither am I. As for the light switch, as i recall we simply couldn't agree how many members it would take to change the lightbulb in here and as a result decided to never install a light switch to turn anything off.

Strongly recommend you install a motion sensing light switch. Would save a lot of money.

tondoleo, post: 2757186, member: 2445 wrote:
All of these repetitive pics and headlines on the front page are boring yet obnoxious.

MP was easy and friendly. Posters were engaged and interested.

I don't recall anyone in the old MP days clamoring for more blog post-style features on the site. That's what we got. Shoved down our throats.

baccarat_guy, post: 2757249, member: 565 wrote:
There is ALSO a positive angle to "language walls." Actually, really positive. NL is thriving. Things are extremely positive in DE and UK.

Really? Positive? Extremely positive?!

We must be visiting different sites.

Look at insideflyer.co.uk - Recent Posts:

or insideflyer.de:

What a couple of vibrant communities :/

While I am at it, I notice that the sites are still not SSO-integrated. Why did I spend time verifying for someone at HoM that it didn't work many, many months ago?! (the claim then seemed to be that it should work)

mattsteg, post: 2757580, member: 5563 wrote:
You built a site based on driving conversations between frequent travelers, then hid it in a new platform designed to deliver a lot of crap that the bulk of us were not asking for - to the extent that you killed off the site as a conversation/community-driven resource.

Yup.

Randy Petersen, post: 2757601, member: 7 wrote:
As mentioned, we have plans for building our own app but when it's a challenge for experienced app builders it becomes even more daunting for us and the cost to build world class apps is fairly steep as you might imagine.

What will we see first, PM3 or that custom app?

Frankly, my prediction is that neither is going to revive IF. Neither is what *I* am looking for at least. Have you polled your members or perhaps those who have left what they want?

To me building a custom app is the wrong focus.

jbcarioca, post: 2757686, member: 4208 wrote: As for motivation to continue, I can only speak for myself. Today is the first time I have been here in months.

Your contributions here were always interesting, helpful and an example of what made this site great in the MP days. Has anyone ever reached out to you and asked why a "prominent" (for lack of better term) member like you walked away?

Pizzaman, post: 2757769, member: 24 wrote: Put another way. I understand that there was a partner of IF involved in organizing the MegaDO memberships. I further understand people's displeasure with those memberships.

IF wasn't connected to those memberships in any official way. 100% understand that the eye test is the only one that matters. Just clarifying the point and hoping that if IF continues to work on improving we'll be judged on the merits of what we do here.

I don't know the story behind the MegaDo memberships, other than in the past reading some posts here that alluded to money having been collected and promises not having been fulfilled.

Looking in from the outside, it is hard to see a boundary between IF/MP and MegaDo and other HoM "properties".

A bit of googling found this:

http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=6d73013b796c0ecc02ebb36aa&id=a70ba1b25a&e=24721081d6

IF wasn't connected to those memberships in any official way?

Milepoint front and center as a sponsor and in the first sentence of the email announcing MegaDo memberships. A MP founder "signed" that email.

So if something like described in some posts really happened, then given the interconnect between the entities and people it naturally may taint everyone in a official role at MP/IF as well. Perhaps wrongfully. But hey, you have a blog or forum where you could clarify the situation. Perhaps that has happened and I just haven't noticed.

Kirk Out.

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Posted : September 13, 2016 11:51 pm
Wandering Aramean
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HaveMilesWillTravel, post: 2757782, member: 648 wrote: I notice one of the other co-founders hasn't even shown up here since Friday. Busy thought-leadering elsewhere? How many bloggers does Boarding Area have? How many are active here? I can really think of only one. Have you ever asked them why they consider it not worth their time being part of this community? (funny thing is, I see some of them active on FT)

Don't forget that part of the IF/MP product launch was yet another blogging platform built to compete with Boarding Area. Same group running two different blog aggregations competing with each other for page views. And somehow that was a good idea.

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Posted : September 14, 2016 12:55 am
ella
 ella
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I just looked at the Home page for the first time in forever. It has no focus, it is cluttered, and nowhere is there an indication that there are discussions forums within. If I were visiting a site for the first time, that Home page would guarantee it would be a single visit.

I realize I'm not a terribly active poster, but have contributed in the past when I felt I had something constructive to offer. There hasn't been any interesting threads on this site in quite awhile.

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Posted : September 14, 2016 4:54 am
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