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flyforawg
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February 27, 2014 12:07 pm  

Punki, post: 2301558, member: 197 wrote:
Hopefully with their new "greater availability" we'll be able to find a way to use them. Do you think Delta would consider trading them for AS miles? 😉

The day you would find anyone willing to trade you your turd for their brick of gold is the day you'll find DL willing to make that kind of trade.:p


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February 27, 2014 1:19 pm  

Seacarl wrote: You shouldn't count Amex because you get those miles today on your dollars, plus you earn the mileage-based miles and bonuses. The Amex miles are not an increase. Also make sure that you are backing out all the taxes and fees which are over $40 on a connecting round trip plus the federal ticket tax. Basically if you are paying under 23-25 cpm you will likely earn less miles under the new program vs. the old. I suspect that 90% of travelers will earn less and only a small percentage will earn more. Perhaps many won't understand that. DL's calculator makes it likely you will do comparisons that include that taxes and fees.

not counting amex means just that

also i went back over all my receipts subtracting the taxes and fees for my review


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Punki
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February 27, 2014 2:56 pm  

I somehow acquired about 600,000 Delta miles (I don't know how since I never fly Delta) and have never been able to find a way to use them. Their redemption availability is almost never there and, when it is, the rates have always been ridiculous. I have been so unhappy with these miles that I have, in fact, been tempted to just book a really expensive (in terms of miles) flight just to get rid of the miles so I don't have to think about them any more.

Hopefully with their new "greater availability" we'll be able to find a way to use them. Do you think Delta would consider trading them for AS miles? 😉


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February 27, 2014 3:16 pm  

The design has 2 advantages for Delta
1) It encourages greater spending and many expensive short haul flights yield the greater number of miles
2) It cuts the benefits to Medallian holders. The MQM qualification flight-miles tiers remain the same. This means that Medallion holders who fly long distances on cheap fares do not get a lot of miles to bank. Members who earn a lot of spend miles for expensive short haul flights really don't qualify for Medallion status because they don't get the MQM distance flown.

So why do this….. To raise revenue from inefficient short haul fares, to reduce the mileage liability from cheaper long haul tickets, to encourage higher fares from customers, to reduce the mileage benefits for medallion holders.

I really wonder if instead of being sneaky they might consider making fewer better wider more comfortable economy seats with legroom and charge for them, and offering real food in their sky clubs instead of charging for credit card guest access and premium drinks. If you offer a better service and experience for a better price generally professional frequent travelers respond.

I will say that having paid $800 for the benefit of being stuffed into a CRJ regional jet with tiny seats getting more miles is some consolation but I would rather just be comfortable than be stuffed into small seats like cattle to a slaughterhouse.


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February 27, 2014 4:11 pm  

A while ago AA tried their "more room throughout coach" strategy and it was a financial ddisaster. Passengers generally weren't willing to pay anything extra for those inches and most continued to purchase the cheapest ticket regardless of comfort and amenities.

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Wandering Aramean
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February 27, 2014 10:50 pm  

AWR, post: 2301905, member: 154629 wrote: 2) It cuts the benefits to Medallian holders. The MQM qualification flight-miles tiers remain the same. This means that Medallion holders who fly long distances on cheap fares do not get a lot of miles to bank. Members who earn a lot of spend miles for expensive short haul flights really don't qualify for Medallion status because they don't get the MQM distance flown.

You got this wrong. MQM earning is not changing. It will remain primarily based on distance flown, not fare.

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gregm
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February 27, 2014 11:45 pm  

Wandering Aramean, post: 2302318, member: 23 wrote: You got this wrong. MQM earning is not changing. It will remain primarily based on distance flown, not fare.

Which is ridiculous. Now I have to keep track of miles earned for status, miles earned for redemption and money spent (MQDs). And learn 5 tiers of redemption? Ridiculous

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Wandering Aramean
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February 27, 2014 11:48 pm  

gregm, post: 2302344, member: 92339 wrote: Which is ridiculous. Now I have to keep track of miles earned for status, miles earned for redemption and money spent (MQDs). And learn 5 tiers of redemption? Ridiculous

You don't have to. 😉

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February 27, 2014 11:51 pm  

Wandering Aramean, post: 2302347, member: 23 wrote: You don't have to. 😉

I'm in too deep to switch now. I'm hoping I'll be ok, but, as I've already said in this or the parallel post, I've been loyal and kept quiet for years.....always had good experiences, and now I feel I'm being screwed with.

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Wandering Aramean
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February 28, 2014 1:08 am  

gregm, post: 2302351, member: 92339 wrote: I'm in too deep to switch now.

No such thing.

If you're overspending to get "benefits" of some sort it is time to stop. That applies to any program, not just Delta. Rational behavior is the only way to win the game.

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February 28, 2014 3:47 am  

I think there should be a simple upgrade package for all.


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March 1, 2014 3:01 pm  

Wandering Aramean wrote: No such thing. If you're overspending to get "benefits" of some sort it is time to stop. That applies to any program, not just Delta. Rational behavior is the only way to win the game. YouTube Video

But the card is so shiny! And surely if I keep loving the brick even when it gets dropped on my head and hurts me, it will love me back, right?


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March 1, 2014 6:11 pm  

eponymous_coward, post: 2303940, member: 1812 wrote: But the card is so shiny! And surely if I keep loving the brick even when it gets dropped on my head and hurts me, it will love me back, right?

And the more you get it dropped on your head, the more it'll love you! 😀


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eponymous_coward
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March 2, 2014 6:25 pm  

"Why do you keep dropping that brick on your head?"

"It feels so good when I stop..."


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